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[quote author=Κηφᾶς link=topic=11375.msg137413#msg137413 date=1304611953] + Irini nem ehmot, I would have to agree a little with imikhail. The burden of proof is also on your professor to show that there were, in fact, female priests that served in…
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[quote author=Ioannes link=topic=11375.msg137426#msg137426 date=1304636260] This is getting to be absurd. Unworthy1 has fallen into this semantics mindset. Leader, teacher, or whatever, what St Paul is speaking of is within the church, as in the pri…
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[quote author=Abanoub737 link=topic=11375.msg137425#msg137425 date=1304627293] I just wanted to bring some things up: "A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach…
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[quote author=imikhail link=topic=11375.msg137416#msg137416 date=1304615386] Either you lack reading comprehension skills or you are admitting there is no evidence for the priesthood being reserved to MEN in the New Testament. Which one is it? Well …
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[quote author=Pi Onkh link=topic=11375.msg137402#msg137402 date=1304593097] I'm sorry if someone already mentioned this but the second verse you presented for women priests: 2) 1 Corinthians 11:10 "For this reason a woman ought to have a symbol of a…
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[quote author=imikhail link=topic=11375.msg137404#msg137404 date=1304596422] You have not provided any evidence. Rather you are pointing to a lack of evidence. Anyone can play the same card and say there is a lack of evidence in the New Testament …
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This is not necessarily directed to you liftmyheart, but to all who ask for prayers. The following quotation is from St. Anthony (#16) found in the Selections from the Sayings of the Desert Fathers A brother said to Abba Anthony, 'Pray for me.' Th…
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You have not provided any evidence. Rather you are pointing to a lack of evidence. Anyone can play the same card and say there is a lack of evidence in the New Testament of the priestly rank ascribed to strictly males.
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I hope Fr. Peter has enough time to weigh in on the matter. If anyone has any evidence that would be beneficial, please provide it :) I will continue researching and prepare for the 'showdown' on Tuesday. The professor has been bashing Orthodoxy …
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Thanks for the quote anba bola. Anything else that shows how the priesthood existed in the first century and was restricted to males?
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[quote author=Κηφᾶς link=topic=11375.msg137349#msg137349 date=1304537212] + Irini nem ehmot, [quote author=Unworthy1 link=topic=11375.msg137340#msg137340 date=1304530925] But my first response is that I doubt that these male-female relationships we…
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[quote author=Ioannes link=topic=11375.msg137350#msg137350 date=1304537379] [quote author=Unworthy1 link=topic=11375.msg137333#msg137333 date=1304527988] [quote author=Ioannes link=topic=11375.msg137330#msg137330 date=1304527004] [quote author=Unwor…
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I google searched the bishop but came up empty. Are you sure the spelling is correct. Also, is he Armenian or Russian?
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Interesting. I will pick up that book and respond later today - I have to get going. But my first response is that I doubt that these male-female relationships were picked up from the Romans - at least in the first century. The early Christians we…
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[quote author=mabsoota link=topic=11375.msg137298#msg137298 date=1304501133] i hope, unworthy 1 you get enough material for your professor. is he religious at all? [/quote] He seems to have his own type of Christianity ;) It is clear that he admir…
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Thank you - I will search for it in my school's library. I am afraid what is not being addressed is that if these passages are normative and corrective, how do we reconcile them with the passages about women who WERE in leadership and DID speak i…
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I thought I would add one more thing - you will not get ahead by getting good grades but by being ambitious, curious, daring, etc. MANY people get good grades. What you need to do is separate yourself from them. Begin writing for the school newspape…
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[quote author=Κηφᾶς link=topic=11375.msg137332#msg137332 date=1304527911] + Irini nem ehmot, [quote author=Unworthy1 link=topic=11375.msg137331#msg137331 date=1304527665] So you all seem to agree that women can have leadership roles. Now I will a…
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[quote author=Ioannes link=topic=11375.msg137330#msg137330 date=1304527004] [quote author=Unworthy1 link=topic=11375.msg137275#msg137275 date=1304483347] Well put, thank you for the thoughtful replies. What I want to get at is how we reconcile the …
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So you all seem to agree that women can have leadership roles. Now I will ask the same question I asked several times: How do we reconcile that with the passages of 1 Cor 14:33-35 and 1 Tim 2:8-15, if we say these passages are normative. According…
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This is what happens when Egyptian parents tell you anything below an A is unacceptable and you will never get into a good college, never get a good job, thus never get married and live a miserable life. Think of the worst case scenario - you get …
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[quote author=imikhail link=topic=11375.msg137286#msg137286 date=1304485834] Note: It is important to reference several translations to get an exact meaning. Next Verse 6 Greet Mary, who has worked hard among you. 7 Greet Androni'cus and Ju'nias…
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Drama queen?! Not at all - just an overachiever ;) Go directly to the teacher and ask him/her what you need to do to get an A. Plan it out and focus more. And don't turn things in late!! God Bless.
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[quote author=childoforthodoxy link=topic=11375.msg137279#msg137279 date=1304483759] I fear that I am not providing ample opportunity for others to answer, and for this, I ask for everyone's forgiveness. [/quote] Do not apologize, you have been ver…
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[quote author=imikhail link=topic=11375.msg137280#msg137280 date=1304483817] not everything in the Bible is applicable to us. What do you mean? Why is it written then? [/quote] This is going to lead us in a tangent. I do not wish to get sidetracked…
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I have chosen the most relevant quotes from my original posts. So it seems some women were apostles, house-leaders, prophesied, etc. [quote author=Unworthy1 link=topic=11375.msg137239#msg137239 date=1304473325] 1. Romans 16:1-2 "I commend to y…
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Well put, thank you for the thoughtful replies. What I want to get at is how we reconcile the seeming contradiction. On the one hand (as shown in my original post), women are in leadership roles. But in the passages of 1 Cor 14:33-35 and 1 Tim 2:8-…
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Agreed. But, certainly, not everything in the Bible is applicable to us. Such as Christ's instruction to "call no man father". . .
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What you say is true. However, what evidence is there to say that these passages from Paul are normative? His argument is that they were to correct specific problems but were by no means to be applied to all churches. The sayings of the fathers ar…
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Dear childoforthodoxy, I have skimmed over the thread you referred me to (that is the first 2 pages at least). The pattern that keeps returning is quotations starting from about the 3rd century (which aren't helpful for me). Secondly, most of th…