OK, how about this, imikhail. Provide Patristic sources to prove your claims. One cannot be Orthodox without holding steadfast to the teachings of the Fathers. Can you cite any Fathers who support your view?
Also, what is your view on the Augustini…
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How did Met. Bishoy react to Fr. Athanasius' book? This is not the first time HE has taught somethi…
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But, if I may respectfully ask you- how do you reconcile the belief that angels had relations with humans with the theology of other Fathers (who teach that sons of man refer …
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I don't know. I haven't time to source the original Coptic texts.
That wasn't really the point I was quoting these texts for. Don't forget that in formal English worship …
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You obviously speak from a Christian perspective, but its incredibly arrogant to say that you've got the monopoly on the truth, and that everyone else is wrong. I think God a…
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While our Saviour was yet speaking with us, we heard hymns in the height. Straightway we looked, and saw a great chariot of light. It came and stayed in our midst; Cherub…
I do not think it is right for any of us to try and convince you either way. If you are satisfied with Byzantine Orthodoxy, then stick with it. If you just want to participate in certain services with OOs to fellowship, pray, and learn more about us…
^I have read before that our own Holy Orthodox Monastic Fathers have read "The Ladder" by St. John Climacus for spiritual edification (especially in Armenia), not just nowadays, but historically as well. I know of several laypersons of my own Church…
Forgive me, I misunderstood your position, not necessarily the Church's, IMHO. Thank you for the clarification and forgive me for misunderstanding you.
But what makes you say that the sermon by St. Theodosius is a forgery? Is there historical evide…
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??? What is/are the Philokalia?
[/quote]http://orthodoxwiki.org/Philokalia
^Do you have proof of the assertion that this speech is forged? And what say you of the extensive Patristic quotations provided which seem to point to the Dormition of the Theotokos?
While some of the writings of the Philokalia predate the schism of Chalcedon, Orthodoxwiki says:
The Philokalia—Greek for "love of the beautiful/holy/exalted"—was first assembled at Mount Athos by Ss. Nicodemus of the Holy Mountain…
It is not typically part of our tradition, but you will find some OOs reading it. Many OOs, even Monastics, have started integrating EO spiritual literature into their own practice.
^This seems like a great article. How did Met. Bishoy react to this document? Fr. Athanasius' view is clearly upheld in the Patristic tradition. I am shocked H.E. would say that the Theotokos' body was not assumed up into heaven.
^I have read some (mostly EO sources) say that Hades is divided into an abode for the damned and an abode for the righteous. If the previous poster was referring to the latter then it may be just a matter of semantics. I do not know for sure.
^I can see where you are coming from. But, if I may respectfully ask you- how do you reconcile the belief that angels had relations with humans with the theology of other Fathers (who teach that sons of man refer to the sons of Seth) and modern scie…
^I am aware of all this. I thought what I said would be clear from the context. In this case, "Copts" refers to (practicing) members of the national OO Church of Alexandria, who are often referred to as being non-Orthodox due to their rejection of C…
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It was very sad reading through this thread as a Catholic. As Catholics we can stand for what we believe in and we know what we believe in, non the less we are taught to…
It is also an interesting document in that chapters 46-48 seem to imply a Triune God. This book is also said to teach intercessions of Saints, and praying for the dead, as well. I do not plan on reading it any time soon, however.
^I know of an Ethiopian Orthodox poster on another forum who said that the Ethiopian Synaxarium says that the sons of God referred to the sons of Seth, contradicting the book of Enoch. Do you still think it can be read for spiritual edification, reg…
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Fr Peter,
While your experiences with the EO may be positive, sadly it is not always the case. Archbishop Stylianos, the Greek Orthodox Archbishop of Australia, firm…
Even though the book of Enoch is not accepted as canonical by the Coptic Orthodox Church, it is accepted by her sister Holy Orthodox Church, the Church of Ethiopia. With that said, can it be read for spiritual edification even though it is not consi…
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This 7th canon is a forgery and is not accepted by the Church. Only six out of the seven canons are accepted.
[/quote]Source please?
^I really do not want to get too involved in this discussion. The only point I was trying to get across was that our Hierarchs do accept the sacraments of the EO as being real and it is not his place as a layperson to say something which is contrary…
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Ian not sure that the point of different faith is getting across.
The EO has different faith than the OO and thus their sacraments are rejected by the OO.
[/quote]Tell tha…
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We are already suffering an identity crisis, and it will get worse if we don't act soon. …
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take the icon of Pope (St.) Leo and replace it with an Icon of St. Dioscorus.
[/quote] Leo, is NOT a Saint!!!