[quote author=Severian link=topic=13619.msg159496#msg159496 date=1346364981]
^I am done with this discussion (until I read Fr. Shenouda's article). I was not trying to threaten or scare you as you ridiculously claim. I was stating a fact. You cannot…
^I am done with this discussion (until I read Fr. Shenouda's article). I was not trying to threaten or scare you as you ridiculously claim. I was stating a fact. You cannot accuse a translator of interpolating or altering a text without evidence. On…
[quote author=imikhail link=topic=13619.msg159490#msg159490 date=1346342407]
[quote author=Severian link=topic=13619.msg159489#msg159489 date=1346341090]
I would like to clarify something. I did not purposely change the quote from St. Cyprian of Car…
I would like to clarify something. I did not purposely change the quote from St. Cyprian of Carthage earlier, as Imikhail seemed to subtlety imply. I posted that fragment of the quote because that was how I found it elsewhere on this forum. I did no…
[quote author=imikhail link=topic=13619.msg159478#msg159478 date=1346298559]
[quote author=sifaing link=topic=13619.msg159477#msg159477 date=1346298308]
Guys,
#1, ur both really annoying
#2, stop complicating things
#3, just b/c the EO say somethin…
[quote author=Remnkemi link=topic=13615.msg159455#msg159455 date=1346274774]
No not really. I based my comments on the commentary you provided.
[/quote]Oh, OK. I think the author was trying to convey the point that we are often taught the teachings …
[quote author=Remnkemi link=topic=13619.msg159451#msg159451 date=1346274060]
[quote author=sherene_maria link=topic=13619.msg159449#msg159449 date=1346272574]
Severian,
How dare you quote a reference that has changed the Word of God!!!!
"For verily…
[quote author=Remnkemi link=topic=13615.msg159450#msg159450 date=1346273464]
Severian and all,
I have some concerns about this article that is most illustrated in Comment #6 above. Doesn't #6 above imply Copticism? Why is it looked down if one read…
[quote author=imikhail link=topic=13619.msg159431#msg159431 date=1346262071]
[quote author=Severian link=topic=13619.msg159429#msg159429 date=1346261623]
@Imikhail How does inheriting a sinful nature (a nature which inclines us towards sin) make us …
@Imikhail How does inheriting a sinful nature (a nature which inclines us towards sin) make us born sinners? Sin is the mis-use of free will in a manner which falls short of God's grace. "For it is not true that sin is a nature (phusis) and that it …
[quote author=imikhail link=topic=13619.msg159425#msg159425 date=1346260276]
[quote author=Severian link=topic=13619.msg159423#msg159423 date=1346259968]
^ I agree with Remnkemi that one can use the phrase "original sin" so long as by "original sin"…
^ I agree with Remnkemi that one can use the phrase "original sin" so long as by "original sin" they are teaching the Orthodox doctrine of Adamic sin, and not the Latin doctrine.
Here are some references from the Indian/Malankara Archdiocese of the…
[quote author=imikhail link=topic=13619.msg159413#msg159413 date=1346250378]
Those who deny the dogma of Original Sin, like you, by default support the heresy of immaculate conception.
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I already explained that this was not the case. Not onl…
[quote author=imikhail link=topic=13619.msg159399#msg159399 date=1346212089]
Dear Severian,
You say: "We are not born transgressors"
Psalm 50 and 48 do not agree with your statement.
Job 14:4 does not agree with your statement. By the way, this v…
^See my above post first.
[quote author=imikhail link=topic=13619.msg159396#msg159396 date=1346209773]
[quote author=Severian link=topic=13619.msg159394#msg159394 date=1346209439]
There is nothing from those Fathers which I would disagree with. You…
[quote author=imikhail link=topic=13619.msg159395#msg159395 date=1346209620]
Those who deny the Original sin support the Latin heresy of the Virgin's Immaculate Conception.[/quote]Not only did you not address my arguments, but you are falsely accusi…
There is nothing from those Fathers which I would disagree with. You still did not address my other points, though.
I also want to talk about this quote:
"It is in this way that the many have been made sinners - not as though they had transgressed…
[quote author=imikhail link=topic=13619.msg159388#msg159388 date=1346205800]
[quote author=Severian link=topic=13619.msg159387#msg159387 date=1346202007]
.. this is not to say we are responsible or guilty of Adam's disobedience or that we inherit t…
[quote author=imikhail link=topic=13619.msg159382#msg159382 date=1346200349]
Same thought as St Cyril, St Ambrose, St Augustine, and St Sawiros.
[/quote]St. Cyril and St. Severus never teach we inherit Adam's sin or guilt. They quite clearly say jus…
[quote author=imikhail link=topic=13619.msg159383#msg159383 date=1346200538]
With all due respect Severian . the Orthodox bible Study was translated by Eastern Orthodox theologians who reject the Original Sin dogma and their commentaries are not a …
[quote author=sherene_maria link=topic=13619.msg159376#msg159376 date=1346193477]
[quote author=Remnkemi link=topic=13619.msg159366#msg159366 date=1346188003]
There is nothing wrong with using allegorical and metaphorical language. Metaphorically, L…
I good tip might be going through exactly which prayers you are about to say before starting your prayer. Prepare yourself before you meet your Creator, that way you are not just making up your prayer rule as you go along.
[quote author=imikhail link=topic=13619.msg159342#msg159342 date=1346120869]
Severian,
Can you please define what you mean by Adam's guilt, Adam's fault?
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[quote author=ReturnOrthodoxy link=topic=13619.msg159345#msg159345 date=1346131…