Fr. Peter:
I apologize. I did not mean to present those passages as though in answer to your question. Though the professor is some kind of scholar, he's clearly expressing his personal opinion there.
There comes a point, however, when the weight …
Two highlights from a lecture given at Oxford by Prof. Ernest Newlandsmith on May 21, 1931 (full text available here):
...seeing that this music is Coptic, that St. Mark-the-Evangelist was the first Patriarch of the Coptic Church, and that there ha…
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Pakistani to Pakistani. They understand each other.
I will look it up.
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Fareed Zakaria is a Konkani Muslim from India, not Pakistan. I agree it's a good int…
I don't know about Epouro specifically, but this is true! Pretty much every recording I have of Coptic chant (not the modern Arabic taranim, but the old, old stuff) mentions this. Here is a good article about it from the journal "Egypt Today" (April…
To the contrary, Rafikwa. To the contrary. I am coming to the Church out of Catholicism, and so I know very well the doctrines that separate the Catholic Church from Orthodoxy, as well as the reasoning and arguments behind them. Please don't think I…
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I agree 100%. My dad is Coptic Catholic and my mom is Coptic Orthodox and they taught me how to accept other denominations and that just because someone interprets the bible…
Who is doing the slandering, Lightening? Those Protestant people quoted in the OP or others who have responded by criticizing the methods and attitudes of the Protestants? I know I am biased, but I see far more slander and venom in the words of the …
Hahaha. Yeah, Dimyan..."Islamic Radical" and "classy" just don't go together!
Zoxsasi: The flaw behind your solution is to think that Muslims would accept any such thing. Did the Christian forces politely turn them away at Lepanto? Or when re-takin…
I don't trust any "revolution" in any Muslim-majority country. Sooner or later, they turn rotten. Even if they start secular/nationalist, they always give way to Islam, because the majority (Muslims) think it is in their interest, and the interest o…
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actually, in the uk at least, there are not many orthodox churches outside of big cities, so maybe someone wants to be orthodox and has been reading a lot of byzantine hist…
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Yes, we apparently do agree. Again, I don't even see it as requiring people to learn...it is mo…
Yes, we apparently do agree. Again, I don't even see it as requiring people to learn...it is more like "You are interested in the Church? Okay, this is part of the Church. You don't have to learn it, just as you do not have to learn how to play the …
I'm not sure what, if anything, we disagree on, Father, but since you referenced part of the passage I quoted from Gruber, I'm thinking maybe I should respond to what you've written, if only to repeat my earlier point:
Coptic is understandable (kee…
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The point I am more concerned with is that even we don't understand Coptic. That's why we are forced to use it in moderation. But what's the point in keeping it at a…
If I may offer an outsider's perspective:
There are Coptic people who object, just as Catholics objected, to praying in a language which they do not understand. But the Coptic monks are insisting, and so apparently is the hierarchy of this Church, …
The problem, servant33, is that every church wants to be united with every other church, but all want this unity to be on their church's terms, not on those of the ones they are seeking to unite with. So, since we are all born into a world of schism…
Oh Father Peter...they did the same in Iraq, and with similar (poor) results, among the Syrians. I was just reading that in Dr. Suha Rassam's very informative book "Christianity in Iraq" (Gracewing Pub., UK). It is not hyperbole or meanness to say t…
I don't know why this reply to me is being quoted over and over approvingly. I've never written anything about Protestants as people, but Protestantism as a belief and its ways of worship are very wrong. If you haven't ever been Protestant, you don'…
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For a Jew to truly know God he must renounce the error that Christ is not God and worship him as God. Christ is not an optional extra.
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Thank you! Thank you so…
Thank you everyone for your replies. Thanks especially to Father Peter for his reply. The people that I am locked in this silly argument with are mostly Catholics, so the words of a priest (even outside of their tradition) carry a lot more weight th…
The funny thing about lying is that when you pull it off and it goes your way the first time, it enables you to lie some more the next time that you can convince yourself that it's for a "good cause". What does Jesus Christ, our God, tell us? Be per…
I think the psalmody would be a great replacement.... I mean if you don't want to learn it in coptic it is translated into english and arabic! there is no excuse for "jesus is my frand"
I want to learn it in Coptic! Why shouldn't Copts want to lear…
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Ahh... DZ, that's where you are wrong my friend.
hehehe
I saw the same interview. Listen to the question before it. He was put in a tight situation. He was asked whether …
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Oh WOW!!
May be they are going to elect a Coptic Christian as President?? Who knows??
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I am sorry to dampen your enthusiasm, Zoxsasi, but HH Pope Shenouda III has…
Zoxsasi,
I think we might be making the same point, but you are making it clearer because you are Orthodox and I am not. My point in bringing up the Kenyans and contrasting them with the Ethiopians was to say, as I did, that the difference is not r…
What would a properly Orthodox church look like in Kenya or other places with a similar culture, then? It is right to point to the Ethiopians and Eritreans as examples of perfectly Orthodox, thoroughly African cultures, but it is also important to r…
I think it is a good sign that, as Father Peter keeps pointing out (and is himself a great example of), it is the converts to Orthodoxy from Protestantism who are, er...protesting the Protestantization (!) most forcefully and wisely (having the expe…
I hope the church I end up in won't have screens. I've seen them in some YT videos of Coptic liturgy. They seem like a distraction, and a very easy way to not learn the responses. Maybe I'm too negative, but I want to learn that stuff, not stare at …
Epiphania: As far as I know, Ethiopian & Eritrean Orthodox churches are also segregated.
I've always wondered about the pews thing, too. Some churches I've been to have them, some do not. The ones that do are usually converted from another chu…