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[quote author=minatasgeel link=topic=11988.msg142587#msg142587 date=1312542501] [quote author=Zoxsasi link=topic=11988.msg142586#msg142586 date=1312537866] The reason is why my mother decided to baptise me 1 year after my birth was because she wante…
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The reason is why my mother decided to baptise me 1 year after my birth was because she wanted me to never forget my baptism day and so made it on the same day as my birth. I'd have been happy if she just baptized me earlier and wrote the day down…
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[quote author=Marenhos Epchois link=topic=11988.msg142554#msg142554 date=1312495180] [quote author=Zoxsasi link=topic=11988.msg142545#msg142545 date=1312464701] Excellent idea!! I was baptised on the same day of my birthday because my mother didn't …
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I just want to say ONE last point about this issue - If the priest does not speak the native language of the country he is in, he will also not be accustomed to the culture, or the way of behaviour of the natives there. This is a huge problem. H…
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[quote author=ilovesaintmark link=topic=11988.msg142541#msg142541 date=1312456812] I was baptized on the 24th of November. Very few people have any idea of their day of baptism. At about 11 years old, I made my father dig through piles of paperwor…
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Listen, Why don't you all admit that Church has made a few SERIOUS mistakes and get this thread over with!? Why does H.H bring priests over who HE KNOWS do not speak the native language of the country they are going to. This isn't an engineering …
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[quote author=Stavro link=topic=11903.msg142526#msg142526 date=1312438743] Dear Dzheremi, Reference to Reply # 41 Stavro: Why are these our only choices? I don't think anyone in this thread wants anyone to be excluded for the sake of evangelism of …
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[quote author=dzheremi link=topic=11903.msg142518#msg142518 date=1312426688] Zoxsasi, I understand where you're coming from, but I think a more understanding attitude about attempts at liturgies in the local (unfamiliar, for the priest) language cou…
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[quote author=dzheremi link=topic=11903.msg142512#msg142512 date=1312422093] [quote author=Zoxsasi link=topic=11903.msg142501#msg142501 date=1312381222] What are you talking about?? READ THE COMMENTS IN THE NEWS COLUMNS!!! The british people are ap…
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[quote author=dzheremi link=topic=11903.msg142497#msg142497 date=1312376657] That is an absolutely unfair and silly comparison, Zoxsasi. There is a world of difference between not being able to speak a given language (as in not being fluent, which i…
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Here's the news of today: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2021670/Indian-Vali-Chapti-UK-migration-racism-row-insists-wont-learn-English.html I hope they do this to EVERY Coptic priest or even member who cannot speak the common language of …
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[quote author=George_Mina_Awad link=topic=11903.msg142442#msg142442 date=1312262449] Zoxsasi, I do kind of see where you're coming from. But I do not think the problem is as major as you do, and I think a big part of it is that so many churches are …
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[quote author=ophadece link=topic=11903.msg142418#msg142418 date=1312234516] Dear Zoxsasi my brother, Go and re-read your post. You addressed me, are you aware? Or ashamed? Doesn't make a difference really. I think you are so resistant to discussion…
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[quote author=ophadece link=topic=11903.msg142413#msg142413 date=1312233139] So you insulted me Zoxsasi. OK, may God bless you man... pray for us please [/quote] Habibi, I am not insulting you. You mean when I said "have shawayet dam" - I really me…
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[quote author=geomike link=topic=11903.msg142410#msg142410 date=1312229017] Zoxasi, how about another option that i have been thinking of this whole time. GO TO CHURCH TO WORSHIP YOUR CREATOR INSTEAD OF TRYING TO BE ACCEPTED BY OTHER PEOPLE. [/quote…
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[quote author=ophadece link=topic=11903.msg142406#msg142406 date=1312224850] Dear Zoxsasi, First of all, one cannot forget his past, or his personal make-up when they move to another country. Forgetting your identity, or even only the things you lea…
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Let me rephrase the question for you: Let's say I was a French national, but Catholic. If I were to travel to Brazil, and I find a Catholic Church, why would I hear the liturgy in French for in a Catholic Church in Brazil? It would be in Portugue…
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Ophadece, There's nothing wrong with being proud about your birthplace. But are you also proud to be British? Are you British?? I FAIL TO UNDERSTAND WHY A PERSON GOING INTO AN ORIENTAL ORTHODOX CHURCH IN THE UK HAS TO EVEN HEAR ARABIC IN THE LITU…
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[quote author=epiphania link=topic=11903.msg142197#msg142197 date=1311974325] then go find urself an FOC. and read what I wrote. I said I am almost as proud of being Egyptian as I am of being Coptic. And think about WHY that would be! God blesses …
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[quote author=joseph.vandenbrink link=topic=11903.msg142201#msg142201 date=1311981505] [quote author=epiphania link=topic=11903.msg142197#msg142197 date=1311974325] [quote author=Zoxsasi link=topic=11903.msg142196#msg142196 date=1311969815] Epiphani…
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Epiphania, Please don't call me sweetheart. I am not trying to purge EVERY egypian aspect about me. On the contrary, on my CV, i have indeed written that I can read Arabic. I don't expect you to purge the Egyptian aspects about you, but READ WH…
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[quote author=epiphania link=topic=11903.msg142145#msg142145 date=1311913005] I'm sorry zoxasi but I disagree with you. I take almost as much pride in being Egyptian as I do in my Coptic church. [/quote] See.. that's my problem. What the heck are …
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[quote author=Biboboy link=topic=11903.msg142043#msg142043 date=1311802818] Agape, While I am very conservative about the Coptic Orthodox Church's rites and hymns, which is evident in my participation with the HCOC choir (for example), it must be …
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What's the atmosphere like in your Church? The Church in Villejuif - Paris is really like an Egyptian Cafe. Loud music during the mass. People using their phones during the liturgy. Its a headache. The priest doesn't speak a word of French... he s…
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I think I see iMikhail's point. Anyway, regardless - the straw that broke the camel's back was truly the fact that the priest cannot speak the language of non Egyptians in the country where he is. It speaks volumes. a) it means that those atten…
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iMikhail, You said that the Church should accommodate cultural differences. Well bro, its not. Perhaps in Africa it is, but in Europe its not. What does it mean to accept the cultural differences? Well, does the COC in the UK have British hym…
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[quote author=Khas. link=topic=11899.msg141873#msg141873 date=1311552938] Anubis: Really, enjoy your single life. Really! Like seriously, just go out and have fun man, screw this marriage stuff till you find the right girl, it will happen. Go out a…
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I really think the straw that broke that camel's back was the fact that the priest could not speak French or Dutch for my friends. They are fluent in 3 languages (English, French, Dutch) and the priest only speaks Arabic. They want a spiritual gu…
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Hi, Dzheremi's point is indeed valid. thanks. Let's face it, no matter which orthodox church you go to, its going to be nationalistic. Like i said, i would still recommend for them the COC... i think our priest needs to speak the language of th…
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Where exactly do I begin? This lady was passing by a Coptic Church during Easter and overheard the hymns being sung. She was indeed captivated by the hymns and so on, and started to weep. ANyway, she spoke to the priest and wanted to learn more a…