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[quote author=dzheremi link=topic=11285.msg136300#msg136300 date=1303238247] The local language is read in addition to the Coptic, isn't it? If I'm understanding you correctly, I don't see the problem. The Ethiopians have readings in Ge'ez, and the …
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[quote author=imikhail link=topic=11275.msg136297#msg136297 date=1303238071] Stvro The Oriental Church, including the Coptoc Church, DOES NOT BELIEVE IN DEIFICATION OF MAN as ascribed by Fr. Matta El Meskeen in his books. When he says all of what …
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[quote author=imikhail link=topic=11285.msg136295#msg136295 date=1303237114] There is an element that is missing here. Coptic is the Church language of prayer. In fact, about 120 years ago the belief was you cannot pray the liturgy other than Copti…
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I don't think we've ever discussed the Bible actually being read in Coptic only to have someone read the translation of it afterwards. I know already 2 people that have left the Coptic Orthodox Church because of this. I personally would like to k…
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I think you should pray for her and try and love her. You should pray that God works through you to show her love. Whilst you are reading the Bible, you are reading the Theory. This girl will help you put what you've just read into practice. Acco…
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[quote author=dzheremi link=topic=11285.msg136283#msg136283 date=1303226895] Well, Copts are not Greeks to begin with, so I don't know why the lady you spoke to would be expected to understand it perfectly. This is like a Spanish person complaining …
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Remenkimi, I believe that we are mixing more than competence and tolerance. I think you are denying the element of fanatism. If they (those who read) do not even understand Coptic, why are they reading it for? Then at least let someone who unde…
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[quote author=imikhail link=topic=11275.msg136226#msg136226 date=1303148284] Regarding communion, I do not see any difference between us and them. [/quote] See - this is why I'm asking. Apparently, the Pope's statements has distanced us from the E…
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[quote author=geomike link=topic=10895.msg136227#msg136227 date=1303148715] Zoxasi, it's not just because he is a monk. Haven't you heard of God's grace? [/quote] I think you may have misunderstood the issue. What Anba Karras said to the monk was b…
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iMikhail, Many thanks for your informative response. Tasbeha.org has many sections - Faith Section is to understand the Coptic Orthodox Faith. This is my objective. Im not sure if you are aware, but those who happen to disagree with H.H Pope shen…
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[quote author=Unworthy1 link=topic=10895.msg132142#msg132142 date=1299375950] Who are you Zoxsasi to imply the blessed Bishop Karas is an idiot?! His advice was obviously hyperbolic. You should not take things so literally. If you are willing to di…
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Thank you so much Fr. Peter for a well written and concise response. Please go ahead and add more quotes from the Church Fathers. --> iMikhail: Are you saying that people were believing that we were hypostatically united to God in the Holy Com…
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[quote author=imikhail link=topic=11275.msg136198#msg136198 date=1303082566] When you take these comments together, HH is not denying that we take the body of Christ that is united with the divine nature. I understand that if you just take a comment…
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[quote author=imikhail link=topic=11275.msg136194#msg136194 date=1303070877] zoksasi, I do not whether you know the story behind His Holiness' comments. There are certain people, I am not going to go into details, who claim that because we take th…
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Singing in the Coptic Orthodox Church is SERIOUS business. There's even a rank for it. That's all we need. We need people talented in singing and able to produce brilliant Oriental Orthodox hymns in ANY language.
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Guys, we are NOT stuck on ANY language. We do not need to re-invent hymns for our own mother tongues. No! We can keep our Coptic hymns - all we need is ONE thing: a BRILLIANT CHOIR!! That's it.
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[quote author=dzheremi link=topic=11239.msg135759#msg135759 date=1302465589] I still love Coptic (and English, and Arabic) and don't think it needs to be done away with completely to appeal to converts, but anyway this is beautiful and thank you for…
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Listen to the Alleluia at the end.. the 2nd Allelulia ... its PERFECT. Its really the best version i've ever heard. If you love your Coptic Church, if you love your Coptic hymns and u want to let people know about it... please post this link to y…
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[quote author=Father Peter link=topic=11144.msg134873#msg134873 date=1301605243] Lol. Of course I do live in England. I meant I don't live in Egypt. When Copts choose to come and live in England they gain additional responsibilities for sharing the …
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But I still don't understand. If it's a sin to disobey God, and hardening of Pharoah's heart is evil why did God participate in it?????? That's not right. It's like someone having the desire to go and rape a woman , and rather than Change his he…
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Guys, We really ought to start learning Coptic..there's NO OTHER WAY. we cannot pray in English, nor in Coptic -can we. We cannot pray in English because the hymns sound bad, and we cannot pray in Coptic , because we don't understand it. The ans…
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[quote author=imikhail link=topic=11144.msg134691#msg134691 date=1301504095] The Coptic Church lost the Coptic language when it adopted the Greek sounds of the alphabet. [/quote] I personally prefer that it adopted the Greek sounds rather than the …
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Actually, there's a youtube video of some choir from the USA that have done the tasbeha in English - and going by the YouTube comments, a lot of western people seem to like it. Try it and tell me what u think. There's one called :"O Sing Unto Him …
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I love greeks too. Im going to join their church. I felt that God is encouraging me through your words. Our Church is too protestant
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[quote author=Ioannes link=topic=11114.msg134371#msg134371 date=1301346023] [quote author=Zoxsasi link=topic=11114.msg134368#msg134368 date=1301344271] Are you sick of Greeks? [/quote] the greeks that I know, I am quite fond of actually. [/quote] …
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Are you sick of Greeks?
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I think Ioannes, all this is OK if you can talk to someone in private, especially if you are going to tell them something they are doing is wrong. If they don't listen, then you can get others in the Church. In Church, this sunday, our priest shout…
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You're fine Ioannes.. lol Tell that person to first take the log out of their own eyes, before commenting on the speck of dust in yours. You're very zealous.. and maybe that comes across as aggressive. You're very Pro Orthodoxy, and you see it …
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[quote author=Father Peter link=topic=11053.msg134159#msg134159 date=1301130832] Well that is just a particular detail isn't it, that fits into the overall problem. [/quote] I don't know what you think, but this is a HUGE detail. Correcting a prie…
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[quote author=Father Peter link=topic=11053.msg134157#msg134157 date=1301129945] I would rather we did not get distracted down the line of discussing George Bebawy or Father Matta, these are not the same issues as should most concern us so much. Th…