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What I'm trying to say SMS is different horses for different courses. In Egypt they have not been drinking alcohol for over a thousand year and I don't doubt that that will probably never change. We now however have the added issue of having ecume…
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Fixed, thanks. CS
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[quote author=SMS link=board=1;threadid=298;start=60#msg3093 date=1086460109] what are our values and morals supposed to be? why offer another point of view if we already know our own? i mean y take one saint and base ours upon his? the church alway…
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Hi Defender, The church doesn't work like that. You have a confession father, use him. :) CS
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Hi SMS, This is not about the advantages or disadvantages of drinking, drinking alcohol is not something that I recommend. I am trying to offer here that there was a point in time when egyptians drank alcohol, not that we can do so and torture our…
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Hi Mark, You responses are not irrelevent at all! You express a point of view that you will be accountable for on judgement day. I don't find that to be a problem. I offer you an apology for I've acted. :( They said of Macarius that if he was a…
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I'm not going to be able to explain this to you because your thinking like an Egyptian Christian not like a pure Christian. Can you perhaps advise why our ancestors like St. Macarious drank wine and then systematise that into your argument. Why it…
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Its not a matter of quitting. I just find that your not willing to answer the point I offer and keep attacking the views I present as the mother of immorality. If you had answers I would like to learn but because there is nothing to be gained I'll…
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Mark. I personally believe this thread should be closed now. This is going no where. The Chrurch is not against drinking its against how people drink. It is banned in egypt but this is not a dogma or a theological rule, its a spiritual rule that …
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Actually red wine if drank in moderation (say a couple a glasses a day) lowers the risk of heart attacks... God bless, CS
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Hi Defender, Yes it is Body and Blood but its still in the form of bread and wine say you have an intollerance to glutin or alcohol, taking it would kill you! :o CS
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Hi SMS, I'm not going to be able to explain this to you because your thinking like an Egyptian Christian not like a pure Christian. Can you perhaps advise why our ancestors like St. Macarious drank wine and then systematise that into your argument…
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Alright let me ask you guys a question, suppose st. Abanoub appeared and wanted to hug any of you young ladies would you let him or be afraid of lust? Likewise for you guys with young martyr st. Muhrail... Put aside for a moment the idea of being …
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Its very subjective... There are no hard fast rules here. Each person has their own concience and know how they feel about everything and its important that a person acts in a way that they feel is comfortable. For some people this may involve no…
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Hi guys, I agree with you that I don't think its a good idea but I want to encourage you to remember that hugging is not a temptation, its only a problem because of our weakness. I guess in another time and in another place it would be okay but si…
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Hi wfhanna, This is why I said it is okay to be friendly but not flirt. Fliting is an expression of (amorus love)sexual desire used to allure someone, if I was to be cheered up in that way then I'd rather not be cheered up. Conversly being friend…
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Hi guys, I think the problem is that sometimes because of our impurity we make sins out of things that aren't supposed to be sins. If you hug a cousin of a similar age of the opposite sex thats not an unusual the problem is what are the intentions…
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Hi Mariam, Don't worry about your reputation, we now have a more important reputation to protect that our own, thats Jesus's reputation who get insulted if we do things in His name the wrong way. :( There is a thread on same sex marriages where we…
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Hi Defender, Holding onto these traditions has huge problems since we are now in a forigen culture and we will be accpeting converts from different places and we have to accomodate them. Our father already do this and let them do things we are res…
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I disagree mark and (I know as ironic as it sounds after all the windups) I have to go back to the example of dating. :P As a teenager our personalities, bodies and minds are still being developed and there is no consistancy so we're not in a stat…
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Its too hard to assume the wine was non-alcoholic but I have heard some priests say that it was. In reality the copts in our early church drank wine and there are stories in the desert fathers about monks and one when even one of the popes drank wi…
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Okaaaaay, what I mean is that if you have a glass of vinegar you can't fill it with honey you have to first throw out the vinegar and wash the glass before you can fill it with honey. In the same way if a person gets lots of bad feelings they can't…
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Hi Mariam, I agree with you, Jesus never treated any sinner in that way. It comes down to making a weighted response. Some people need encouragment and some need a karate chop to the neck. Jesus used both techniques and he did point out many peo…
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I see your point. My reasoning was that the only way you stop lusting after a person is that you go past that and see that they are a human with emotions and feelings and that it isn't right to take advantage of them or to feel that way. I see it …
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Hi Serving Christ, Don't feel so bad, your not the only person who has trouble with something like this because the problem comes from emotion and the feelings you have are quite real, the issue is are they helpful for you at this time of your life…
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Hi guys, The greek word used here for "well drunk" is methuo which actually means being intoxicated. I think these arguments are futile and I stand by my original assessment; just because some drinks are alcoholic doesn't mean we should stop drink…
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I'm finding it hard to follow you SMS, perhaps we need to go thought dating one more time. J/K :)
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Thats cool, but I wasn't thinking about developing web crushes as such, I was more thinking of developing web friends as a retardant to crushes...
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Yeah, thats a whole different kettle of fish, I was meaning like people from different states and countries...
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Hi all, I think meeting and having crushes with people on the web is a better scenario than in real life. The danger in reality and what the church is afraid of is sexual immorality, which isn't likley with a web mate so potentially it can be an o…