[quote author=peter_saad link=topic=12807.msg150748#msg150748 date=1326928280]
Can you imagine having an 18 year old priest? [/quote]
What's wrong with an 18 year old priest? My grandfather was 19. It was socially acceptable 50-100 years ago. It isn…
Censorship would only be a problem if tasbeha.org is pirating material. If it is, then no one can complain about censorship. If it isn't, then there is nothing to worry about.
Google's interests has nothing to do a thriving web or US jobs. Google …
[quote author=Father Peter link=topic=12807.msg150735#msg150735 date=1326921617]
I don't believe that the participation of the female laity in the congregational responses should be considered as females taking the place of males. I don't believe th…
You can get a sample here. You can click on the link "Find in a library" and you may find it that way. Or if you want to purchase it, contact Hany Takla at stshenouda.com. Don't use Amazon because Amazon adds a 20% surcharge for Hany to supply the b…
Don't start with remenkimi website. Start with Sameh Younan's book "So you want to learn Coptic". And the most important thing to do is keep asking questions. I assumed the translation was correct until you asked. Asking opens doors for the person a…
This is an excellent question. I have my opinion but I won't divulge it for personal reasons. I would like to elaborate on the question.
It's a conundrum. The "official" answer is that women should never raise their voice in church, especially when…
Yeah, I'm lost here too. And why do you limit each post to one or two sentences? Can you please gather your thoughts into a full, concise and clear discussion in less messages?
[quote author=ophadece link=topic=12781.msg150618#msg150618 date=1326833504]
if you're referring to the different ways of pronouncing a word, then as you alluded before that's dialectical differences.. nothing of those references indicate a reconstr…
Timothym,
If you read Joshua Fishman's Reversing Language Shift, you will see that there are literally thousands of factors to consider in reversing language shift. He has an 8-step model. Researching many, many failed attempts at reversed language…
[quote author=Aegyptian link=topic=12781.msg150616#msg150616 date=1326833364]
Either way, my humble opinion is that OB is much closer (if not the closest) to Coptic as it was spoken before 1850 with Arian Mofta etc. etc.[/quote]
At least you acknowl…
It is always best to look at the original Coptic text instead of the Arabic.
The Coptic says Yc hyppe anok@ eievwt harok@ agia `triac... which means "Lo, behold, I, I take refuge in you, O Holy Trinity...."
Big difference from the Arabic. And it…
As Ophadece said, twoun and tounoc are different verbs. They are related in meaning. I think you would use twoun when you are talking about physically rising and toun when you are talking abstractly as in "to cause to open" or "cause to awaken".
S…
Ophadece and imikhail,
What you fail to acknowledge is that OB is just as much a reconstructed dialect as GB. If GB was created erroneously, so was OB.
Either way, I only responded because Timothym asked a question and subsequently asked my opinio…
mabsoota and all, the bronze serpent staff doesn't travel with the bishop. Each church should have its own and use it when the bishop is here. I know that many churches don't have it so I wouldn't consider it a requirement to have one or even take i…
[quote author=Timothym link=topic=12781.msg150593#msg150593 date=1326816983]
My only question is that now that there is more contact and information flowing between cultures and learning, is it worth trying to 'rectify' the original pronunciation or…
I believe the six circles are icons of the disciples. It represents the bishop is the Apostolic successor of one of the disciples.
The staff, more accurately the Bronze serpent, is taken from Numbers 21:8 "The LORD said to Moses, “Make a snake and…
I think John Calvin took the rebellion to a much higher level than Martin Luther. Read any of Calvin's commentaries. Every other sentence is a condemnation of the "papists". It seemed like John Calvin did not care about Apostolic succession. In fact…
Timothym,
I think imikhail meant loan words are never pronounced in their donor language pronunciation but take on the recipient language's pronunciation, like French loan words in English. In other words all loan words take on the pronunciation of…
Thanks Fady,
I can't be fully blamed for Google's mistake. I gave two different pronunciations for the same word simply to show that there are 2 different phonological inventories. It wasn't a mistake. It was the basis of my argument and it is still…
[quote author=ophadece link=topic=12781.msg150546#msg150546 date=1326751888]
Remenkimi, you gave the wrong word in Arabic in the beginning if you never alluded to the third person singular verb.
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For my own sanity, please show me where I gav…
Because we have been rehashing the same arguments and since most people have no real interest in linguistics, I am done debating. I fear my debates on the Coptic language are causing others to leave the site. I pray I have not offended anyone.
[quote author=imikhail link=topic=12781.msg150519#msg150519 date=1326735968]
Now we are getting somewhere. When you mix languages and one becomes dominant like the case of Arabic in Egypt, the Arabic introduced becomes a different product than the …
[quote author=ophadece link=topic=12781.msg150521#msg150521 date=1326737360]
however, I tasted is pronounced as /thoqtu/ in formal Arabic and as /do't/ in Egyptian
Oujai
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No I'm not confused. This last line is what I have been trying to say…
I asked for "I tasted" which is the first person singular past tense. In Egyptian Arabic, it is /do't/. I didn't ask for the male and female 3rd personal singular present tense forms. You keep giving me the 3rd person singular form and I made my ar…
Thank you Mina. I did put "I tasted" in parantheses in Reply #39. So I was looking for /do't/ all along. Which substantiates my claim that Modern Standard Arabic pronounces "I tasted" as /za 'kat/ while Cairene Arabic pronounces it /do't/; which in …
Bibo,
It is my understanding of heresy that no one but the clergy has the authority to declare a person heretic because such a sin is bound in heaven. However, what others were trying to say (albeit obtusely) is that a heretic has already condemned …
Ophadece, thanks for your comments.
[quote author=ophadece link=topic=12781.msg150329#msg150329 date=1326402441]
Dear Remenkimi,
There is "eyin" pronunciation in Coptic, but no letter, as it descended from Demotic in a weak form. [/quote]
According …
[quote author=GabrielYakub link=topic=9818.msg150341#msg150341 date=1326418997]
Where did I say I was trying to prove God to be evil?[/quote]
You tried to prove God was unethical by allowing slavery. An unethical God is by definition evil. Therefore…
[quote author=GabrielYakub link=topic=9818.msg150308#msg150308 Remnkemi,
Again, I don't think it is ethical under any circumstance to own other people especially with the permission to beat them to death (Exodus 21:20) , keep their wife and kids if …
[quote author=imikhail link=topic=12781.msg150305#msg150305 date=1326336659]
Therefore, you can't claim sound values are intact across accents.
Please support this claim within the different English accesnts.[/quote]
Have the courtesy to quote t…