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Pope Theophilus excommunicated the Tall Brothers for their Incorporealist beliefs, which he claimes was Origenism. Origenism is not the same as actual teaching of Origen. Secondly, it would be nice to actually read Pope Theophilus' and St Macarius' …
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[quote author=imikhail link=topic=12184.msg144040#msg144040 date=1314908213] Never heard of nishara. Can you please point me to a text where the word is used?[/quote] As far as I know nishere is not found in any text. However, "oushere" is found in …
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Origen was excommunicated for clerical reasons, not doctrine. Read Cephas' comment that he posted on August 28 again. No one is arguing that Origen's excommunication should be lifted or we should disregard the Church's stand. But to simply throw ou…
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[quote author=copticuser20 link=topic=12246.msg144032#msg144032 date=1314900836] So Priests are only allowed to add saints that are "dedicated" (for lack of a better term) in that specific church? [/quote] I don't think there is a rigid rule on this…
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imikhail, What Cephas meant was that no matter what theories, evidence, articles, or arguments we present about language evolution, language shift, or language pronunciation (whether natural languages or constructed languages) as it applies to Copt…
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I need to make a correction. In Byzantine, Koine or Modern Greek it would be "xairetismous" or "ta xaire". In Egyptian Greek, it would be "xeretismous". The closest thing in Coptic would be "nishere" but this would be the Coptic plural definite arti…
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But if "3 of them" was meant, wouldn't the verse be "Michael is one, Gabriel is another, Raphael is a third, a symbol of the Trinity"? "Michael is the first" is different than "Michael is one of them". Could there be more implied by stating a heirar…
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Sherat: another example of Coptic Arabic bilingualism and code switching. Mina's explanation is correct. If one wanted to use the term completely in Koine or Modern Greek, it would be "ta eiryny". If one wanted Egyptian Greek, it would be "nishere".…
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[quote author=copticuser20 link=topic=12175.msg143635#msg143635 date=1314218203] So if someone asks about a word or pronunciation, for example this post, you will give them the old way and not the modern way the church uses? [/quote] I have refraine…
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[quote author=kshenoud link=topic=12220.msg143877#msg143877 date=1314669721] Second I have never ever ever used a hazzat sheet/website. I have never written one for any hymn or anything relating to hazzats. I actually hate that stuff; it confuses me…
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[quote author=kmeka001 link=topic=12220.msg143885#msg143885 date=1314676238] [I am going to have to disagree with you Remenkemi. Comparing yourself to the best in any field is the best way to improve myself. If I am going to say that I will never be…
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[quote author=imikhail link=topic=12120.msg143812#msg143812 date=1314563205] [quote author=Κηφᾶς link=topic=12120.msg143806#msg143806 date=1314560133] + Irini nem ehmot, His writings were not anathematized (if I recall correctly) until the Fifth Ecu…
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Tip #1: Don't compare yourself to Ibrahim Ayad or Gad Lewis. They have a God-given talent. They have spent a lifetime training and using their memories for hymns. Developmental or Gifted psychologists would probably consider them a whole different b…
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I did not notice this thread before. I have a few comments and questions. Since we do acknowledge any of the so-called gods of these other faiths or any other god, therefore, the foods offered to their gods are only offered to the figments of their …
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Yes, I am sorry. The Tall brothers were monks. Unworthy, what I am saying and what modern scholars seem to believe now is that Origen set forth a philosophical framework of potentiality of the soul. In other words, a soul can theoretically be save…
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[quote author=imikhail link=topic=12118.msg143379#msg143379 date=1313719267] Does not matter what version of Greek is. It is a Greek hymn.[/quote] By Greek hymn, I assume you mean a hymn written in the Greek language. Well to qualify this, this hymn…
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[quote author=dzheremi link=topic=12118.msg143378#msg143378 date=1313718860] I know how you meant it, Remnkemi, but I would be careful with the phrasing of that last sentence. Coptic is not simply Greek with some variations in pronunciation, but is …
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Let me start by stating that Origen was excommunicated for 2 reasons: 1. Preaching in Palestine against Demetrius' orders and being ordained in Palestine, then returning to Alexandria as priest and 2. Castration is against canonical law. Pope Demetr…
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[quote author=Zoxsasi link=topic=12118.msg143341#msg143341 date=1313693828] Remnkemi, Its a greek hymn. The words are in Greek. [/quote] Devte pantec ilayi is not Byzantine Greek. If you ask a Greek person, he will probably not know that Deute pant…
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No one in the Greek Church will know anything about the meaning or the pronunciation of this or any other Greek hymn in the Coptic Church, especially those found in the glorification rite. There is no correct or non-correct pronunciation of Greek,…
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I disagree with Posts #8 and #9. But we won't open that subject again. Suffice it to say that there maybe other reasons why we have non-standard Coptic/Arabic hymns other than the author's incompetence or the translators incompetence.
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According to Luke 1, it was Archangel Gabriel who announced the Jesus' nativity to the Virgin, not Archangel Raphael. Tenaspi, are you talking about the Annunciation of the Jesus' birth to St Mary or St Mary's birth to Joachim? Facts not found in…
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Would it help to give a detailed synopsis of Origen's excommunication? New information about Origen and his scandal has come to light in recent years. Suffice it to say, that many believe that Origen's excommunication by Pope Demetrius is based on t…
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Marta Mariam is found in many exposition/commentaries (tarh) in the Difnar and the Turhat of the feasts. I meant to say it is found in Arabic texts of the Coptic Church, not Coptic texts.
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Thanks Dzheremi, Another great example of bilingual code switching in liturgical texts. Marta Mariam is therefore Syriac code in Arabic texts. It is a Syriac/Arabic bilingual phrase and it gives a snap shot of the sociolinguistic understanding of t…
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Mariam is Hebrew and Arabic. As is Miriam. Maria is Greek. Mary is English. The one version of Mary I don't understand is the Syrian/Arabic "marta Mariam" Devte Pantes is not a Greek hymn. It is a bilingual non-standard Alexandrian Greek with stan…
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Ophadece, There is no need to keep pointing out my inadequancies in Arabic. You said "refer to an Arabic dictionary, rather than Christian websites." And I did. I found 30 or so dictionaries. If you believe articles and dictionaries are inadequate,…
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[quote author=ophadece link=topic=11834.msg142994#msg142994 date=1313050268] Dear Remenkimi, Your lack of understanding in Arabic keeps you going on a slippery slope. [/quote] This is why I asked for help. The word sha'anin is an Arabic word, not …
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Cephas, What you describe in your first paragraph is the current Orthodox understanding of glossolali. However, has anyone ever actually checked what the fathers have said or given any references? It is clear that Wayne's description of glossolal…
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Here's what I found from a little research The Greek word, Hossana, ὡσαννά, /hōsanná/ is derived from the Hebrew word הושיעה־נא, /hôšî‘â-nā'/. /hoshi a na/ is literally verbatim of Psalm 118:25. It is also found in Jeremiah 23:5, 6. It is plausible…