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[quote author=George_Mina_Awad link=topic=11352.msg137653#msg137653 date=1304913011] I was once recommended to seek professional help by a priest. But he wasn't my foc and it wasn't during a confession so I didn't listen. As it stands now I don't re…
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[quote author=Marenhos Epchois link=topic=11352.msg137634#msg137634 date=1304892005] [quote author=Unworthy1 link=topic=11352.msg137630#msg137630 date=1304889480] [quote author=liftmyheart link=topic=11352.msg137622#msg137622 date=1304865315] Thanks…
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[quote author=liftmyheart link=topic=11352.msg137622#msg137622 date=1304865315] Thanks for the responses, you guys are smart to figure out that it was me ;] I went to my FoC yesterday, and he basically told me that what I'm going through is most lik…
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Dear imikhail, Thank you for putting in the time to clarify any confusion.
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St. John Chrysostom touches on this topic very briefly in his book, On Wealth and Poverty. I have looked through the whole book about 3 times to no avail. Pray that I may find it! It was a simple yet beautiful explanation to some of your questions.
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I definitely agree. I wouldn't be taking this course if I wasn't open-minded. Would you mind concluding this discussion, Cephas? I think we have belabored the point and it is time to summarize the facts. Unless someone has something new to add. . .
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[quote author=imikhail link=topic=11375.msg137603#msg137603 date=1304828215] Unworthy, I am not seeking your atttention. I have aked you for Origen's reference but it seems you cannot or unwilling to provide it. When you site a a quote jt is ways…
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May He give them strength to endure these tribulations.
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[quote author=imikhail link=topic=11375.msg137593#msg137593 date=1304823403] Junia was never named an apostle but rather she was well known among the apostles. There is no Church Tradition that she had ever received a priestly rank. In the Ortho…
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[quote author=anba bola link=topic=11375.msg137580#msg137580 date=1304804663] Unworthy1, The problem is, most of the time they are described just as apostles. St. Peter is not called a bishop in the Bible (if I recall correctly). Nor was anyone cal…
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[quote author=Κηφᾶς link=topic=11375.msg137577#msg137577 date=1304802710] + Irini nem ehmot, Unworthy1, I'm not sure if you have already done this or not, but here are the wikipedia articles on Andronicus and Junia. Let me know your thoughts. [/qu…
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Brother Ceder, I commend you for searching for the truth. I commend you for going out of your way to find out if there is a God. But as Cephas already said, you need not look so far, but look within. "For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you."…
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Just think of how great it feels when you finish! The harder finals are, the more sleepless nights, the excess stress, all make reaching the finish line that much more gratifying :) God Bless you.
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[quote author=Κηφᾶς link=topic=11375.msg137566#msg137566 date=1304797715] + Irini nem ehmot, [quote author=Unworthy1 link=topic=11375.msg137563#msg137563 date=1304797275] [quote author=Κηφᾶς link=topic=11375.msg137560#msg137560 date=1304796671] + I…
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[quote author=Κηφᾶς link=topic=11375.msg137560#msg137560 date=1304796671] + Irini nem ehmot, [quote author=Unworthy1 link=topic=11375.msg137558#msg137558 date=1304796109] Then who breathed on the 70? Can we so readily dismiss any possibility that S…
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Origen's statement is the cleareast as to the ordination of women ... Will you please provide the source from which you got this statement? Thanks. Origen - Commentary on the Epistle to the Romans (Book 10 Ch.15)
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Then who breathed on the 70? Can we so readily dismiss any possibility that St. Paul breathed on Junia and gave her the apostleship in the narrow sense? They did not necessarily need to be picked by Christ Himself but could have been picked by one o…
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For most Christians, staying politically updated can be a great thing. For people living in America it reminds us of how blessed we are. For all the tragedies we see, we remember our own sins and beseech God for His mercy. For the select few, who …
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[quote author=imikhail link=topic=11375.msg137540#msg137540 date=1304741958] May be lack of comprehension on your part .. Here is the verse again Romans 16:7 NKJ "Greet Andronicus and Junia, my countrymen and my fellow prisoners, who are of note am…
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So it is agreed that she was an apostle (forgive me imikhail but your argument is unfounded). Now we are talking about what that entails. Cephas brought up that there is a broad (messenger) and narrow (directly linked to Christ) sense of the word. M…
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No one ever clearly stated that one can be an apostle and not be considered a priest. Does that mean apostleship comes with no authority? Aren't apostles selected and given breathed on as Christ did? So how can Junia be an apostle? She must have bee…
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I'm already calling it - 2350. God be with you, DC.
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[quote author=Stavro link=topic=11375.msg137511#msg137511 date=1304716828] On a separate, yet more general, note: if claims are to be made in any thread, they should be substantiated by the collective understanding of our Church Fathers. Personal mu…
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Although I am interested in this discussion - please create a new thread. If a new comer wants to join the discussion on the ascension but has no interest in reading on women's leadership in the church, they will miss the opportunity b/c they will…
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St Cyril explains: . . .Therefore, before His Resurrection from the dead, He had intercourse indiscriminately with the righteous and with sinners, and never frightened away any that came unto Him. . . But at that time, by His Providence, men who wer…
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[quote author=imikhail link=topic=11375.msg137460#msg137460 date=1304656730] For a person to be convinced with the Orthodox teaching, he/she must be humble and submit oneself to the Church. If there is no belief of the Church's authority, then it is…
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[quote author=childoforthodoxy link=topic=11375.msg137458#msg137458 date=1304655998] God be with you. [/quote] Thank you. With your help and others I have learned a lot myself. So even if I do not convince him of anything, I am confident he will no…
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[quote author=childoforthodoxy link=topic=11375.msg137456#msg137456 date=1304655174] Allow me to say that whatever evidence you present to your professor will, in all likelihood, fall on deaf ears. It is difficult to convince another of an opposing …
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Thanks for the quotes. Sure the 2nd century quotes are valuable. The question is how valuable? The counter-argument is that "sure women did not play a role in the priesthood, but that was later." The argument is that things changed from how Paul and…