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Fr Peter , I understand your perspective, but I have read literature by Coptic bishops who are quoting anselm. I want to get to the bottom of this issue. If we went back to the fathers and quoted them, both pope Shenouda and Fr matta would say …
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First of all, the fact that we are even having this conversation is a disaster and failure of the church leadership. Orthodoxy is about doing what you have always done , and not on sola scriptura: therefore, the sayings and teachings of the church f…
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The orthodox church's view on salvation is centered around one goal: deification. We have clearly become catholic in our soteriology. I suggest we discuss what theosis is and what it isn't. The Protestants do not have this nor the Catholics. …
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[quote author=Father Peter link=topic=11312.msg136484#msg136484 date=1303679032] It is always proper to have our joy mixed with sadness. My own celebrations were tinged with sadness. [/quote] Happy Easter Fr. Peter. Christos Anesti. Many thanks …
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[quote author=Hos Erof link=topic=11285.msg136411#msg136411 date=1303339412] Zoxasi, for ur information, there's pascha books in both French and Dutch (=Flemish). [/quote] I will find these translations and print them out for everyone. But next yea…
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Brilliant recordings by the way. Can u give us the website?
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OK. Look, I go to Church to pray in the paschal prayers. EVERYTHING is in Arabic and Coptic. There are no books for French/Flemish Nothing. Its very long indeed. They recite the Bible in Coptic. I've never seen this done in any other Church. So, i…
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Thanks everyone for participating in this thread. Let's follow iMikhail's advice at least: Im NOT searching for heresies, but I want to iron them out for the benefit of my own faith and steadfastness in the faith. Let's just focus on doing that.
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[quote author=Father Peter link=topic=11275.msg136355#msg136355 date=1303251242] So what does it really say? I couldn't see my name. [/quote] There's a pic of you with other OO priests in stevenage. I think it was to do with the day of Unity? Remem…
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im not going to say anymore because i think the people involved feel already bad about this situation. I just don't understand anyone's logic in doing the gospel in Coptic. I cannot see , for the life of me, what is there to gain??? We are keeping…
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[quote author=anba bola link=topic=11285.msg136345#msg136345 date=1303246375] I haven't read the whole thread, but I disagree with you Zoxsasi. It gives more time for us to meditate on the Gospel while also preserving Coptic. It is a perfect balance…
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If I love the Congregation in my Church, and i think they are all nice people , yet im deeply offended by their apathy to speak Flemish or French, what about the locals? What about the Belgians? What happens when they come in our Church? How do you …
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[quote author=imikhail link=topic=11285.msg136337#msg136337 date=1303244989] Why are you picking on Coptic? You said that Arabic also is being read and I am assuming you do not understand Arabic. So the problem is you .. you do not know either Copt…
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[quote author=imikhail link=topic=11285.msg136329#msg136329 date=1303243914] zoksasi, I think there is a problem with the scenario you just described, there should be accommodation so you can understand be it via a live interpreter, screen, books, …
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[quote author=imikhail link=topic=11285.msg136325#msg136325 date=1303243679] Calm down zoxsasi, I am sure the gospel is read in the native language. So I do not see a problem. I do not see anything against God Commandment. In fact in Nehemiah 8, Ez…
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OK, let me make this really clear for you: Which is more important: a) Reading the Bible in an ancient language so as to keep the language alive b) The Congregation understanding the Bible readings and being edified by it? In your opinion??? Pl…
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[quote author=imikhail link=topic=11285.msg136318#msg136318 date=1303242280] But we pray with understanding. I do not see you point about praying. How does reading the gospel in Coptic make us pray without understanding if we reading the Gospel in …
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[quote author=imikhail link=topic=11285.msg136315#msg136315 date=1303241556] You are keeping it alive ON THE expense of prayer. But look what Christ has said about tradition: "You have devalued my commandments by doing your traditions." Praying …
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DZ, My suggestion is more practical. Im all for keeping Coptic as a language. But to keep it, I would recommend learning the entire liturgy and hymns and tasbeha in your mother tongue VERY WELL. When you've learnt it inside out, you can pray in Cop…
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[quote author=Unworthy1 link=topic=11284.msg136308#msg136308 date=1303240423] Dear GODlovesme, You said that: You try to talk to her but she locks herself in her room; she refuses to communicate with you. She doesn't think she has a problem. You…
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[quote author=Father Peter link=topic=11275.msg136307#msg136307 date=1303240239] Lol! What does the link say about me? Who has reported me? [/quote] Apparently, you've won the annual tombola. Call the Holy Synod to collect your life time supply o…
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[quote author=imikhail link=topic=11285.msg136306#msg136306 date=1303239666] The benefit is that we keep Coptic as the language of prayer. If someone knows it VERY WELL then we are keeping our heritage and traditions alive. However, if the reader d…
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[quote author=imikhail link=topic=11285.msg136303#msg136303 date=1303238953] If one is present who is proficient in Coptic and can read it VERY WELL. Then I do not see a problem .. but reality is that probably there are a handful of these persons ar…